Male and Pale is Stale: Responses to an Open Letter to the WGA  Image

Male and Pale is Stale: Responses to an Open Letter to the WGA 

By Chris Gore | February 1, 2024

Trouble in the Publishing Industry

After your piece on the WGA, I just wanted to share that the issues you are covering in the film industry are also pervasive in the publishing world.

I doubt this will be a surprise, but for about six years, I was in what we term the “query trenches,” where you are basically submitting a query (aka request for representation) to literary agents. To do this for fiction, it is generally expected that you will have a completed manuscript that, if the agent is interested, will request to read the full item. Now, most authors will never be able to live off their writings, and the average career is something like two books. This is because unless the publisher really believes in you or you are already famous, they tend to send your work out to die, and if it takes off, they claim credit. It is a rather vicious numbers game that most debut authors are kind of their own to find and build an audience.

Anyway, while I was going through the process, I had several agents on my first manuscript actually request the full manuscript. I got very encouraging feedback, but they all basically said, yeah, the market isn’t right for ________ but the consistent comments were they couldn’t sell a DC-based book and that a debut should have a simpler story. They all encouraged me t submit my next one to them so I took their feedback in and wrote a novel that would fit what they were asking for. When I hit them up again, they all asked for the full manuscript again and were effusive with praise for it, but they all again passed for various reasons. I got curious because the reasons again were all over the map, and most of them didn’t make sense because they tended to contradict each other’s reasons.

Two of them, however, said something along the lines of “Oh, five years ago, I would absolutely sign you.” I took this as an opportunity to do some exploratory questioning. They finally said, in a roundabout way, there is no way they could take an unknown debut white male author to an NYC publishing house and sell them on YOU. (This is kind of the mirror universe of American Fiction but is a sad reality.)

Now, the publishing world is admittedly weird, and its economics are even stranger. Most publishers are basically living off the top 1-2% of writers (anyone you see in Target or Walmart) for most of their profitability, and then some of the next 5-8% of authors cover their operating costs. Most of the rest of the 90% will, at best, break even slightly. Their advantage is they are not responsible or even really paying for the product until final production, and most of that is outsourced to freelancers. Additionally, with changes to the process, the agents have been both empowered as gatekeepers and, more importantly, from the perspective of the publishers’ first round editors that they do not have to pay for. If you want to see how bad it is, you can just search MSWL (Manuscript Wish Lists) to see what agents are calling for and then ask the reasonable question, “Who do they think is going to read this?”

“…oh five years ago I would absolutely signed you.”

Now I do not blame the agents. Most of them have two or three side jobs because they do not get paid until the author does, and often with a debut that will only be around 20-30K, which the agents get 15% of, and they likely will need to split that with their agency. So they might work with an author for 3-18 months without pay and then get $1,500 for their efforts. So they have to pick up books they can sell quickly and easily to the publishers. (These low wages for agents and many of the frontline staff in publishing also encourage activists or people with rich parents.)

In practical terms, since half of debut authors will never write a second book. Almost none of them will ever see a dime after their advance, in fact many NYT bestsellers need to maintain day jobs for their whole literary career. Therefore the publishers feel safe signing authors so that they can say they “signed _____” when they interact with their compatriots because debuts are viewed as a loss. It is this exact reason you end up with authors like Jumi Bello, who apparently sold a fiction book without actually having a manuscript and then engaged in plagiarism to complete her book and then plagiarized her apology for plagiarism. If you start to scratch the surface, you will find that, basically, publishing is even crazier than the WGA and Disney Files.

Perhaps the only advantage that aspiring authors have is that it has never been easier to go the self-publishing path. My interactions with the agents, combined with my developed understanding of the publishing world, pushed me in this direction. However, that path also has a host of challenges and difficulties; however, it at least ensures that you won’t be told to change your story for X or make sure character Y is this, even if it makes no sense. But it still comes with its own issues and challenges. For example, as an unknown indie author, I don’t even feel safe following certain accounts with my author account on social media just to avoid staying below the radar of the crazies.

Anyway, I have gone on way too long, which is a vice of being a writer. 

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  3. Shaun says:

    Thanks Alan and Chris for delivering us the investigative journalism the trades have desperately failed in. Also thank you as well for your humor and informative/entertaining content pertaining to movies. Filmthreat has become a recurring highlight for me.

  4. Lee Smith says:

    I have two questions. First, Why are white males paying to be a member of WGA if they are going to be discriminated against, it’s like they are paying for the privilege to cut their own throats. . Second, why aren’t white males filing discrimination lawsuits against the WGA, the last time I checked it’s illegal to base hiring decisions on race or sex.

    • Blacklisted and Bullied says:

      What was the answer when you flipped it and asked why Blacks and Latinos stayed members during all the decades including this one in which we were discriminated against? For me, the answer is simple. Helen n Al Levitt. Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney were murdered, yes. But you have to keep fighting for what you think is right. As you know from a prior post, I was attacked in the WGA building, shoved and locked in a room 15 feet from the board room with the assailant blocking the door and members ignoring my calls for help.

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  6. Daxton Brown says:

    Gee, and you are surprised this is happening? I am a conservative writer of nonfiction and fiction. I wrote Senator Harry Reid’s biography, of which the movie Casino if a small subset. I was told by literary agents not to bother submitting it because it was too controversial and wouldn’t be picked up by the liberal publishing universe.
    My magnum opus, I’ve worked on for 30 years, predicted a Covid scenario and AI wars plus a civil war over wokeness. It has no chance unless I go Indy.

  7. Biku says:

    How is this legal? I thought hiring by race and gender…Especially on a scale this size….Was pretty much illegal.

    • Ed says:

      The Free Press ran an article in January of 2022 called “Hollywood’s New Rules: The old boys club is dead. But a new one—with its own litmus tests and landmines—is rapidly replacing it. ‘This is all going to end in a giant class-action…”. I personally believe that massive class-action lawsuits are indeed are coming, which is going help rid Hollywood of this cancerous DEI.

  8. Ed says:

    If an 18 year old white heterosexual male from the mid-west with no connections to anyone in the entertainment industry whatsoever decided that he wanted pursue a career as filmmaker, I would advise him against it. Not because of lack of effort, talent or persistence, but because he would be denied any chance at making a career for himself in this new age of Hollywood. His work would go unread, un-watched and rejected before it would ever be judged on the merits or quality of the work itself. This also applies to the independent film world just as much, as financiers and distributors have also become just as guilty in participating with DEI.

  9. Matt says:

    The safest check box you can lie about is non-binary. If they accuse you of lying, just say to them “prove that I’m not non-binary.” No one can prove that they ARE non-binary. You could also lie about your race. It’s not like they’ll ask you to take an ancestry test.

  10. Man With A Camera says:

    This doesn’t seem isolated to the WGA. It feels like a form of communism has spread industry-wide. Using their counter-productive exemption, SAG allows producers to pay the actors less money if a percentage of cast falls under DEI. The only incentive in that seems to be to wipe out Caucasians from the zeitgeist of American stories, cinema, and culture. And this corporate idea of redesigning famous IP characters to form a new world looks awfully familiar to all those historical statues and monuments being removed and wiped out of existence. All of the above are communist constructs. I think Nerdrotic hit a target when he points out members are afraid of their own unions. And to think this is not affecting streaming and distribution yet is shortsighted.

  11. Blacklisted and Bullied says:

    I was dragged into a side room where the WGA board met, held captive, and harassed by a top WGA male exec. There was one female staffer present. Finally, he let me go and I ran from the building. The WGA Board of Directors blacklisted me because the guy was more important to negotiations than I was. He had me banned from WGA meetings to prevent me from talking to anyone. Because we were in the middle of negotiations, the board’s silence re the attack was more important than me. He recently retired rich.

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  13. Truffy says:

    Male and pale is stale. And, on average, 30% of your audience.

    • Bloat McQueen says:

      I keep coming back to this too.

      Making money can smooth over a lot of problems and they were able to coast for a while during the height of Marvel.

      I just feel the bills are finally coming due and eventually they will have to make DRASTIC changes or risk completely sinking the ship

  14. Herm says:

    These letters are revealing of the cognitive dissonance of these writers. Almost to a one these writers proclaim being pro-diversity, progressive, and liberal–yet they somehow can’t connect the dots between that ideology and their own displacement in the industry. Anyone who’s spent any amount of time in the culture war trenches understands the lunacy of the progressive cause and that it could (and does) only result in the disenfranchisement of the majority. “What did you think decolonization meant?” goes the refrain on twitter. “It’s like we’re supposed to just shut up and go away.” says one writer, and yes, that is precisely what the ascendant diverse coterie desires. They wish you starved, silenced, and consigned to the redacted annals of TV history. Had these writers, for a moment, considered themselves as having a collective interests in preventing the toxic DEI ideology from gaining traction the damage wrought might not have been so catastrophic. Make no mistake, the diversity commissars simply want ‘non-diverse” people to be utterly purged. The liberal, progressive, writers have handed them the keys to accomplish this.

  15. BubbaZanetti says:

    Funny how, the powerful and power hungry in the entertainment industry, have so much in common with the Nazi Party. It must be a natural flow of those with no, to low self esteem, emotionally damaged egos, craving, needing/wanting attention from the world, desire power (especially power over others) above all else, have zero spiritual development, no relationship with their Creator, and are suffering from various mental illnesses, especially those related to gender dysphoria, to find themselves in goosestep with fascist ideals. Liberalism/Progressivism is a gateway drug to Communist/Fascist addiction, and those drugs have killed billions.

  16. EnoughDEI says:

    Female, gay, and Brown brings sales down

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