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Behind the Curve

By Alan Ng | November 15, 2018

“…outline the theory of why the earth is flat and how does the sun, moon, stars, and government cover-ups make it all work.”

Speaking of mainstream scientists, it’s interesting to observe just how smug and dismissive these experts are. I get it, they’re right. But damn, they’re basically saying, “we’re right, and you’re an idiot.” A clip from Neil deGrasse Tyson, or as they call him The-One-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, makes him come across as a smart-a*s bully. Then I think, “he is right.”

While Sargent and Steere are the backbones of the film’s narrative, Clark does make some essential tangents like how the Flat Earther movement gained steam and has grown significantly over the past several years almost to the point of becoming a religion. The movement even has celebrity followers most famously NBA star Kyrie Irving and Shaquille O’Neal.

What about science? You know, real science. Clark has done his due diligence in interviewing Flat Earth scientists whose focus is to challenge current belief’s in the Earth’s so-called roundness. In fact, the ending of the doc follows a sort of scientific task force formed at the FEIC and their experiment to debunk the curvature of the earth. No spoilers here.

What about the human element? It’s not easy being a Flat Earther. If you think politics divides us, apparently so does science. Clarks goes through testimony after testimony of believers who have been cut off from their families. Imagine what Thanksgiving must be like. “Don’t give Tommy the curved knife. He doesn’t believe in it.” Then there are others holding divorce papers with the ink still wet. The social stigma is so bad, there’s a Flat Earth dating site online.

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  1. jdk1.0 says:

    Please don’t refer to their drivel as a theory. That is insulting and a kick in the shins of people who work hard to _actually_ produce scientific theories.

    Also, people have a right to free speech, not a right to be heard or to be taken seriously. People who believe the Earth is flat, the Earth was created by an Unnatural being, that women’s consent doesn’t matter, that people of color can be owned as property, that humans should be a prisoner of their own anatomy, etc., have no special rights to be heard.

    There aren’t two sides to every story, and we don’t need to pretend there are. Your post truth attitude is frankly pretty scary. Evidence and reality matters. When one group severely lacks either, they can be utterly dismissed until they climb out from under the basement and take reality at face value like the rest of us.

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  3. Greg Stein says:

    What are you talking about? This guy did it on his own. If you want to go to Antarctica you can.
    Also, what is the demand for flights from South Africa to Patagonia? Let alone Buenos Aires?

    Cape Town to southern Argentina or Chile are simply not super viable businesses. Also, take a look at how the jetstream maps, and consider how prevailing winds might impact flight times. Sometimes the shortest route isn’t always the fastest. You probably know this from your own life, when you avoid a road because it’s likely to have traffic or because one route involves more left turns (which slow your travel time) you may get routed on a less direct, but faster / more efficient path. The same is true with flights.

  4. rpsabq says:

    I thought this was going to be a doc on the research, new information, etc. on why there are some who believe the Earth was flat. As usual, we could never really get to that in any kind of detail because they couldn’t wait to start ridiculing which begins at with the scenes from CIT at 10 minutes in with her very first point having nothing to do with science but with social/cultural norms, which we already knew. The explanation of flight paths were both equally passed over giving 30 seconds to each, with of course CIT giving the final judgement of the flight path as ridiculous saying, “then where is that plain coming from?” This completely distorted the point about fight paths – a fact that any pilot will tell you: there are no planes that fly over Antarctica – ever. Though it’s obvious that the shortest route from Australia to the tip of South America would be to flight straight over Antarctica, like we do at the North Pole, we fly in a straight line from Australia, past Africa, over the Atlantic and onto south America on what is supposedly the other side of the Earth. Why? That’s all. Why? What was so hard about this documentary answering that question in detail? Why would you not ask that very logical question to the CIT folks? No plane, ship, person, research team, no one is legally allowed to walk over Antarctica. International Law prohibits trespassing since the 40’s, no one questions it and when people have trespassed they either turned around and returned from which they came or died. No living person can ever say, “I have crossed Antarctica.” Why? Why is it legal to trudge over the North Pole but not Antarctica. Why do we have countless accounts of research of all parts of the North Pole and not Antarctica? Finally, take a model airplane and globe. Take off from New York to London. Easy, right? Now take off from London to South America, of course. Now, take off from South America go the shortest route to New Zealand by flying straight over Antarctica. What’s going on here? Do we flight that route upside down for awhile? Don’t wanna fly straight over Antarctica? Ok, go around Antarctica to the south then., not along the north edge, around to the south. It is THE ONLY place where in order for you complete that path you would have to fly upside down because you are going across the bottom of a round ball. So why have we never done that? Military planes flight upside down all the time. Why are the ONLY flight paths crossing along the north of Antarctica? That’s all that needed to be ask and then the documentary could have boasted that they debunked all of the obvious questions. But instead we are obsessed with our world view, the social implications of even ASKING such questions and we remain completely unavailable to have any, new, different information come in. In order to learn new things, it is not possible until a channel is opened in our minds and that always begins with a question. This documentary, sadly, was not willing to ask any questions and decided instead to make us feel better by shoring up and defending what we already know. Good Science can never be poisoned by the preferences of cultural belief systems – no matter how long those systems exist.

    • Jamie Flower says:

      “Ok, go around Antarctica to the south then”
      South of Antarctica? What are you talking about? You can’t go south of the South Pole by definition

      “It is THE ONLY place where in order for you complete that path you would have to fly upside down because you are going across the bottom of a round ball. ”
      The stupidity, it hurts. On Earth down is towards the center of the earth. A plane flying over Antartica would not be upside down.

      “n order to learn new things, it is not possible until a channel is opened in our minds and that always begins with a question.”
      Your questions are moronic.

    • I knew something was up when the camera zoomed in on that “Start” button at the Houston Space Center, after they said it wasn’t working. The start button had not been pushed, as far as I could tell…

  5. Drew says:

    The film takes a very humanistic approach and I think succeeds in conveying a message of empathy. Not sympathy, not ridicule.

  6. SCOTT OPDAHL says:

    No, complete and total dumb s***s do not “deserve to be heard”. They deserve ridicule and condemnation for their absurd and anti-scientific theories. Anyone who says anything different is compliant in their fraud.

    • jdk1.0 says:

      Please don’t refer to their debunked hypotheses as theories, lest you be considered _just_ as compliant in their fraud. It also lends credence to the debunked religious claims of scientific theories as being “just” theories.

  7. chris buchanan says:

    Hannalore speaks about the Flat earth from a scientific light but also a philosophical one. Very clearly she is not a flat earther as the part where she is observing the plane tracking she mentions ” where did this plane come from?” referring to the far south eastern hemisphere and the direction the plane is going, making it very obvious that she does indeed believe the earth is of course round. Out of every individual in the film there wasn’t one astro physicist that believed in the flat earth theory.

  8. Matt says:

    Curious if you could settle a debate between a friend and I, in this doc a certain CalTech astrophysicist named Hannalore Gerling-Dunsmore speaks a few times rather early on. In your opinion – does she talk about Flat Earth in a positive light, negative, or neutral? Do you think she clearly comes off as anti-flat earth or is it not clear to say?

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