matrix revolutions bashing

[the-lyons-dendo]

i watched a totally different movie than the people that are bashing reloaded and revolutions. if you didnt like the first movie then you probably never would like these movies. but if you really loved the first one, like i did, and now hate parts 2 and 3 i just do not get what you were expecting from a movie.

this trilogy will EASILY be considered one of the greatest ones of all time, and right next to SW as the greatest sci-fi of all time. and just like the people who gave SW: ANH, ESB, and ROTJ bad reviews, these people will be eating their words after time passes and these films are fully realized for their impact.

yeah you were dozing during the final battle between smith and neo, yawning during the giant war between zion and the machines. nothing can ever reach your expectations because apparently you are a crackbaby raised on MTV who has to turn the channel when a hip hop video crosses the 3 minute mark.

no sequel will EVER match that original freshness that the original can bring. you people need to get that through your heads and be realistic. youre never going to see that first "bullet time" scene again for the first time. get over it. take these movies for what they are, entertainment.

the purpose of movies is to entertain and/or inform. if you actually watched revolutions and can say you werent entertained i say try this: drag your corpse over to the nearest light socket, stick your boney finger in the hole and enjoy the only excitement that is going to move you.

and making fun of neo calling trinity "trin" is really quite lame in itself. lame rating, how about lame review.

youve lost touch with movies. i think anything short of god coming out of the screen in revolutions and giving you a BJ would have let you down.

[AmaiStina]

i somewhat liked the third one more than the second one. i think it was the pacing..i responded better to it.

the film raises some questions that it doesnt answer (ideologically speaking, there probably is a reason for that).


i thought it was refreshing that Neo & Trinity arent in very much of it. i was also kinda creeped out by the film, but i cant explain how or why.

[the-lyons-dendo]

AmaiStina,

any thoughts on how/why supposed fans of the first movie can be attacking these sequels so much? i am baffled. not that i really care, i mean, i loved all 3! and as far as the story i loved that too, even if its gonna take me a couple viewings to catch more of it. some people nowadays need to be spoonfed a dumbed down script i think in order to understand anything, its such a shame.

i am glad that i waited until after i saw the movie for myself before i started looking online for other people's reviews. i went in as sheltered from all that as i possibly could and therefor was able to fully enjoy the films without any influences.

people attacked "the matrix" when it first came out and then slowly the attackers got more and more quiet and came around. ive gotta believe the same thing is going to happen with "reloaded/revolutions"

Thanks for your reply.

John C. Lyons
www.the-lyons-den.com

[Bongwater]

Originally posted by the-lyons-dendo

people attacked "the matrix" when it first came out and then slowly the attackers got more and more quiet and came around. ive gotta believe the same thing is going to happen with "reloaded/revolutions"

They did? I recall the original film getting pretty decent reviews. Are you sure?

[crossflow]

Ok anyone looking to see a cool action movie, loads of great special effects and CGI with no story line will not be dissapointed I'd agree with that, but if you are a avid Matrix fan looking for the promised answers are going to be very dissapointed and the review was quite tame compared to what it should of been.

This film should not only have been bashed but mutilated, cut in slices and thrown into the cupboard.

Total hogwash and a major sell out, talk about continuity issues and pointless plots.

I thought (wrongly) that it was more than a trilogy, it was an experience, a massive jigsaw with pieces to be hunted down, a clue there, an answer here. Buy the game which has a whole host of "other sub plots" Get the Animatrix that again has some of the jigsaw pieces, even has a whole movie about "the Kid" .

Why? The Kids only purpose ends up being the opening of a door to stop the hovercraft from plunging into it as it speeds towards Zion bouncing of walls at 100mph. Thing is Neo saves the day anyway regardless of whether the hovercraft hits the door or not so what's the point. Great effects granted, but totally pointless sub plot, has no bearing on the outcome.

And that is pretty indicadive of this movie, it's either confusing or down right stupid.

Why is there only one EMP weapon and that's on the hovercraft? Why didn't Zion have it's own EMP weapons. Giving the technology they have at their diposal they could have had the tunnels full of ECM stopping the sentinals from ever getting within 100 miles of Zion.

And the machines? what with the 250,000 sentinals, why not send in the big drill and then just nuke Zion? All silly and pointless.

I also didn't understand how Agent Smith could punch Neo with such force that he flew 3 city blocks into the air, yet when he kicks Neo whilst his on the ground Neo dosn't even roll over with the impact?

And if the Machines had been trying to destroy Zion for the last 100 years "But we are still here" as Morpheous put in Reloaded, whats the 5 previous versions of Neo, the "we are getting very good at destroying Zion", the 12 women and 7 men or whatever it is all about?

If I am sounded confused an all over the place then I guess I am because so much dosn't fit.

And what the hell was that ending? Thought I was watching Wizard of Oz when I saw the sunrise. Ok so the Matrix needs 100% acceptance to exist / survive whatever, so the best thing to do to make the "batteries" believe they are actually alive in a real world and not just in some pod being used as electricity plugged into a virtual world is maybe to just not create stuff that will get them thinking things are amiss.

If I was plugged into the Matrix I'd be quickly reaching for the Red pill if I saw that sunrise.

Who is the mother of the Matrix? If the French dude is the original Neo then where are the other 4?

He was at the start of the creation of the Matrix that was clear in both reloaded and revolutions so if the last Neo (Neo 4) took the right door and it restarted the Matrix how comes the French guy is alive? did all 5 of the "Ones" happen to choose the french guy as one of the males he repopulated Zion with?

How did 12 women and 7 men create Zion if it was destroyed every time?

Why defend Zion with big , slow machines that left the operator well exposed (as in no body armour / cockpit etc) to the sentinals that could fly and just slah their bodies to pieces.

None of it makes any sense. I just saw this as chuck a heap of action in there so everyone go's wow and maybe they will forget were suppose to telling a story here, and yeah we sort of were going to explain a few things but we sort of didn't get around to it , but hey we left the door open to make the fourth film in the triology.

[w24x192]

Hey, if you focus on the little flubs, the minor story falterings, then no movie would be good. It's rather like bashing porno for the lack of plot - you miss the point of the movie entirely.

For example:

Star Wars - the X wings bank when turning, but are in outer space - there is not an atmosphere for them to bank against. There is no atmosphere for sound to travel in outer space - so how do you hear all of these explosions, laser cannons, etc. When Porkins X wing is hit, he is told to 'Eject!' - Eject? Eject into what, deep space?

Raiders - Indiana Jones is smart enough, although he was probably just flustered, to know that if he had just taken a few steps back, that big ass boulder would have rolled past him and served to clear his path of any cobwebs he may otherwise encounter.

The Matrix - The agents had no need to chase Neo in the beginning of the movie - he was still plugged in - they could have just jumped into his body, gone to where ever it was they wanted him, and then jumped back out - Neo would have been in jail, no fuss no muss. The machines must have known how the humans were getting people unplugged - here's a pill, we'll pick you up - so why don't the machines puree anyone that should wake up, after all, we are told that they liquifiy the dead so that they can be fed intravenously to the living - how did Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, etc etc etc escape this date with the Cuisinart?

All in all, good movies, even great movies have problems - little things that just don't make any sense. Does that destroy the movie? Nah - it is a testament to the quality of the movie that they are dissected so thoroughly. You surely don't see people doing this with 'The New Kid' or 'My Boss' Daughter.'

[SoteriaLIve]

I was disappointed as well with Revolutions but, with all due respect, it sounds like you missed the boat with understanding of the multiple matrices thing (you know the conversation with the Architect).

CrossFlow, You Said:


"----And if the Machines had been trying to destroy Zion for the last 100 years "But we are still here" as Morpheous put in Reloaded, whats the 5 previous versions of Neo, the "we are getting very good at destroying Zion", the 12 women and 7 men or whatever it is all about?---

--Who is the mother of the Matrix? If the French dude is the original Neo then where are the other 4?----"



Try to get your hands on the transcript of the conversation with Neo and the Architect at the end of Reloaded and then watch that scene again. It does make sense, however Revolutions seemed to drop the ball regarding the issues of this conversation, in my opinion.

When watching that scene again, keep this in mind; at the moment Neo walked out the door to save Trinity, instead of being reinserted into the Matrix, it was at that point that a new history was being written for humanity.

Also, The Merovingian was not the 5th Neo, the movie doesnt suggest that.

good luck, and ask any questions.

[SoteriaLIve]

Ultimately, this is true but it is a heck of a lot of fun dissecting a movie that seemed to promise so much of a storyline. Even though not everything lines up, (I mean come on its a movie) but the major points should at least keep you "in" the movie. The moment a movie makes you aware that its only 2d, (regardless of how unbelievable a movie might be) begins to fail; in my opinion.

[Bongwater]

Questions like that don't really bug me when watching movies. Only important ones like 'should I honestly give a shit about these people?'. Stuff like that.

[Bongwater]

Originally posted by w24x192

Raiders - Indiana Jones is smart enough, although he was probably just flustered, to know that if he had just taken a few steps back, that big ass boulder would have rolled past him and served to clear his path of any cobwebs he may otherwise encounter.


Didn't the boulder seal off the entrance? That might have not been the smartest move. But that's why he's Indiana Jones and you're not. ;)

[SoteriaLIve]

You ruin all the fun! lol

[w24x192]

Yeah, I honestly don't know what that boulder was up to...I should watch it again once I shell out too much money for the dvds. Besides, maybe there was some way Indie could have whipped himself out of that situation...seems to have worked in the past.

Back on The Matrix...seems to have lost the innocence of the first movie...we were all right there with ol' Keanu, figuring stuff out, learning how to jump real high and stuff. The new ones, though, that's gone. Suddenly, the Neo (my boss calls him 'Neal') we all knew grew up with went off to college, got new friends, a new wardrobe, and some fancy book learnin'. Meanwhile we are still in high school. What the hell am I talking about? Well, he's still Neo, and we recognize him, still want to hang out with him and all, but he's too hard to relate to now. We got left behind - movie-wise. The heart is gone.

[jygrogers]

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Back on The Matrix...seems to have lost the innocence of the first movie...we were all right there with ol' Keanu, figuring stuff out, learning how to jump real high and stuff. The new ones, though, that's gone. Suddenly, the Neo .... he's too hard to relate to now. We got left behind - movie-wise. The heart is gone. [/B][/QUOTE]

The sophistication of Neo with some ambiguity of plot and was inevitable as well as purposed.

I read your first and this second set of thoughts along with the responses. My input is this.... objectively speaking, The W brothers are intelligent. No one should disagree with that. Don't you believe for a second that stuff like the machine suits are exposed (look at the animatrix battle suits), or even the conversation with the architect in reloaded, got by them. I could write several pages to detail this that I'm about to say but here are several skinny points.

We think we understand the universe but we know less about it than what we think we know....that is the foundation of the Matrix world as presented in all 3 movies. The bros tried to tell you that even the Oracle and Architech don't know everthing.
But what we do know, we max-out on or lose potential purpose and destiny.

Further the W bros, in an interesting way that commuicates with 21 century people show that from the stated foundation, when you are moving hopelessly against the odds, everybody has to believe in something, even at the sacrifice of yourself.....which thought we hate most.

So what did we enter the world of the Matrix understanding in the first movie that was cool of which in the last movie is so unforgiveable? One case in point. If you accepted stuff like the supernatural intuitive ability of the oracle in the first movie, accept it opening up to Neo in the second and lastly it opening up to Smith to his own demise. Now how could a machine designed program aquire insight that the spokesman of the source (Architech) or the source it self did not have? It is still ( for the sake of movie storytelling) beyond our reach in understanding but you gotta believe in something.

And by the way, who promised to give the detals of answers the W bros?....I don't think so.

I realize that we compulsively feel the need to go down the wrong rabbit holes, but don't sweat the small stuff and miss the bigger picture. The W brothers NEVER intended to explain everything....and spoil your thought process.

[Stein_10]

Okay, to those who say they understood and liked Revolutions, maybe you can explain the ending to me. I mean, I understood everything up to the part where they killed off Trinity. I mean, this movie pretty much ended like Reloaded. Is Neo dead??? Maybe I just didn't understand because I was too pissed off that they killed Trinity...that was bad enough, but killing Neo too, that's just going a little overboard. Who wants to see the two best characters in a movie get killed in the end. But worst of all, you don't know whether Neo is dead or not. It's almost like they were setting you up for a fourth movie. At least that's what I was hoping for. But hey, maybe you people understood something I didn't. Maybe you could fill me in on some major details. If not, this film a disapointment to what could have been the greatest trilogy ever created.

[El Duderino Diablo]

Originally posted by Stein_10
Okay, to those who say they understood and liked Revolutions, maybe you can explain the ending to me. I mean, I understood everything up to the part where they killed off Trinity. I mean, this movie pretty much ended like Reloaded. Is Neo dead???

Oh yeah. Neo's dead, baby. Dead as a doorknob. Like the hero of any good old saviour/chosen one myth he sacrificed himself to defeat the baddy and ensure the survival of the tribe. That final scene of Neo being carried off in his best Jesus Christ pose, being born away like Arthur to Avalon, is a mere prelude to the fact that he's going to be refined into oily black goop to feed those who choose to remain in the Matrix, acting as coppertops for the machines. Neo dies and becomes his own sort of post, post-modern communion wafer for power producing, semi-sentient masses.

[w24x192]

Yeah, ol' Neo is dead. The word that is mentioned ad nauseum in Reloaded and some in Revolutions is PURPOSE. Smith's purpose was to be an Agent - he got perverted and with it so did his purpose, so Neo bargined with the machines to kill him in exchange for peace. The Oracle's purpose was to balance the equation, which she did by helping to guide those who were fighting the machines (and which she must continue to do, but in some other fashion). And Neo, his purpose was to end to war, he did, so he is no longer needed. Therefor, he is dead as disco. Or is he? The Oracle does tell the little girl that they may see him again. But who knows in what form?

Just as a side note, Seriph (is that how you spell it?) was supposed to be taking care of that little girl, which made me think it was funny when you see her asleep on the sidewalk in the middle of the night...then I remembered that she was taken over by Smith and when the Smiths all went kablooy, she went back to her original form. She must be special since it seems only she, Seriph and the Oracle were left over after Smith was beaten.

I didn't think this movie was hard to understand at all. It took some thinking, but most things worth understanding do. Neo didn't let Smith win the fight, Neo won by tricking Smith into letting Neo back into his code, where Neo could kill him from the inside out. I guess you all knew that. Just stating the obvious.

Oh, jygrogers, and what I said about Neo going off to college and leaving us behind...I only meant to say that in the last two movies, he is not nearly as relatable as he was in the first movie, which makes it harder to get into the movie. We can't put ourselves in his place so easily.

[the_impossiblis]

Someone above compared Revolutions to Balde Runner. First off, Blade Runner was wracked with compromise after compromise with numerous rewrites, studio interventions and much sturm und drang on set.
Unless we're going to see Matrix the Directors Cut in a few years (I think we all know its inevitable) the Brothers no doubt got a blank cheque on this one in every sense, artistic and financial. They're sitting on a $1 billion franchise before this chapter even leaves the starting gate, and they left it open for a sequel, dammit.
An apt comparison with Blade Runner: the fact is Blade Runner is a pitifully incoherent movie that was only salvaged by some of the greatest art direction ever and the class act that is Ridley Scott lending his own style on the whole proceedings. I doubt anybody connected with the movie really knows whether Deckard is an andriod or not and probably doesn't care. Ditto the Matrix. Look, over there, kung fu!
Unfortunately for the Blade Runner comparison, the Matrix is a wild financial success, hardly a neglected classic in its own time. If anything the first one is overpraised, particularly in comparison with its successors.
They should have stopped with the first one. Forget all this opening our minds business, that would have taken real balls, and it would have left fanboy speculation unaffected. Instead they called on Keanu Reeves and Carrie Ann Moss to act. How cruel is that?