Revolutions - You'll Be Sorry

[jygrogers]

Again, a heady, intellectual assessment of the Matrix Revolutions by yet another reviewer. I really do have better things to do than to respond to every review made of this movie but here is the simplicity of it all.

They don't get it. While they are looking at a movie acquiring some intellectually persuasive argument to get paid for what they do, time out paces their assessment to where down the road they soften their view of the Matrix concept. These movies are like seeds that take a little time to grow. But when they do the fruit is very provocative. I’m not the champion of the Wachoski brothers per se, but a film of this magnitude to present the value of meaning in an interestingly brilliant format is a classic in the making. Hate it today, give it time and love it tomorrow. Here is what will happen. Millions will ignore the harsh reviews and love the whole trilogy. Later the reviewers will say “so what is the appeal that everyone finds intriguing?...was it something I missed?” H-e-l-l-o? The inside joke on the reviewer is this: your review meant nothing unless you were courageous enough to say things before it was popular. To miss it means one thing…you are out of step with mankind. You had zero foresight. They discover that you needed a connection between your heart, head, sense of relational being and just doing stuff with style, to get where the movie was going which, for them, was absent at the time of their review. Then all the Neanderthals want to morph to the current opinion without being noticed for their change. Sorry, if you have slammed the film as of now, then you are already to late. It is inevitable.

[Bongwater]

Wow. Okay.

[SoteriaLIve]

Forgive me for saying this but your argument/comment is as confusing as was my thoughts on Revolutions after I saw it last night. Come again?

[Bongwater]

We will bash his comment now, and then come to agree with it later and make it seem as if we agreed with it all along.

The more I read it, the more it grows on me. :D

[SoteriaLIve]

I am as much a fan of the Matrix as the next guy, but I was seriously disappointed in Revolutions as I walked out of the theater. I only realized I was not the only one until I got online that night and read some reviews. In a nutshell, Revolutions was a quick, wild ride, but to find that once the ride was over I wished it had been longer and had more corkscrews or to find when it ended, it wasnt really over because then it went in reverse!! The first Matrix did that, the last two, sadly missed the mark. I left with more questions than I had answers. I mean if the purpose of the trilogy was to prove the injustice of the matrix and to want to be freed from it as well as trying to save other people from the same injustice while freed; then they failed due to broken focus. Effects seemed to rule the movie and I am afraid they got lost in it as well. I am truly disappointed and cannot apologize for it.

[Stein_10]

First off jygrogers, you need to get off the "It is inevitable" kick cause it's starting to piss me off. I'm sure you're a nerdy little computer geek who has no life of your own so you wish you were Agent Smith. Second, unless there is a fourth installment of the Matrix or you can answer some questions, this movie was a complete disapoinment. And even if I did figure out the ending, still probably wouldn't like the movie. A big part of this movie is the love story that they wrap you up in. It starts at the end of the first movie, continues throughout the entire second movie, and weakly desolves in the third. Okay, the women that Neo was told he was destroying mankind for dies, the least Neo could do is go kick the hell out of Smith. Instead, Smith beats the hell out of him, in a battle that seemed to never end, then destroys Smith, and the last you see of the main character in the trilogy is him getting dragged onto a platform. "Is he dead, well maybe we'll find out in the end of the movie".......NO!!!! All we got was the stupid ass oracle and idiot little indian girl. The end gave nothing but confussion and set you up for a fourth movie that will never be made. The only review needed for this movie: First 100 minutes-"amazing special effects, potentially best trilogy ever!!" Last half hour- "complete disapointment."

[groudon]

My 9 year old thought the movie "rocked".

People go to this film as if they want spiritual enlightenment. If you want that, really, you should go to Star Wars conventions.

The original Matrix wasn't the corned beef hash people made it out to be, ANYWAY. It was derivative of "Brazil", "1984", "Metropolis", "Alien", "Bladerunner", etc., etc., etc. I thought the original Matrix was total rehash.

So get a grip. As for "Revolutions", it's ultimately an enjoyably cheesy chop socky movie with people in shiny leather. And to a nine year, goddam, that rocks.

[jygrogers]

Originally posted by Stein_10
First off jygrogers, you need to get off the "It is inevitable" kick cause it's starting to piss me off. I'm sure you're a nerdy little computer geek who has no life of your own so you wish you were Agent Smith. ............. The only review needed for this movie: First 100 minutes-"amazing special effects, potentially best trilogy ever!!" Last half hour- "complete disapointment."

OK, Stein_10...first let's address the personal swipe. Are YOU that sure about your assessment of me? "nerdy"... "little"...."Computer geek"
and "wishing" I was someone else....in need of a life. But you're sure that is who I am. Oh and my statement about inevitability "pissed you off". That is an amazing intriguing thing to say. Primarily because of your confidence which is overshadowed by your arrogance. Now hold on, I know that will probably kill you if the other shallow thing I said effectively pissed you off. Chill …I’m just kidding.

I really don’t mean to be offensive, but you stirred something in me that wants to touch you. No, not in a bad way, but in a constructive way. You see I’m not who you thought that I am. I’ll make that clear at the end of this response. But since it was the discussion of the Matrix movies that stirred this up I’ll indulge the moment with these thoughts.

I liked the trilogy because the W bros used an excepted genre of Sci-fi and Hi tech toys to reach an audience to make them think about purpose now for tomorrow and death that someone else would have a tomorrow. We saw a process of how one, the one, learns to fully utilize the inherent revealed abilities at personal sacrifice to get a job done. Personal sacrifice that always is more liberating then the current life we fight to hold on to. For me the aspect that this occurs between a world that everyone knows and one that the rest of the world is asleep to, is touching an area of truth that the general public is completely ignorant. That is who the spiritual realm works. And this is not about church, or about religion. It is about what is real and relative and what is not. If you are a slave to powers that you don’t understand that manipulate the world but could have a say in it what would you do? That is the story that I don’t believe that even the W bros are aware of or even believes. However, the story was consistent.

These movies help me to set down with someone that’s got no clue, and give them a graphic to work with since spiritual dynamics can be so elusive. So when you say the things that you said, it proves my point that we think we know what time it is and we don’t know what we are talking about. You see, I work in a ministry that deals with spiritual warfare and with inner city issues. I’ve seen unbelievable demonic activity put in check, and young hot heads that would smoke you checking their burners ‘cause you pushed up on the wrong shoty or touched their spinners real ill, transformed…you know what I’m sayin? Maybe you do. So, even though I have a Mid-Atlantic regional ministry filled with stuff to do, I enjoy a deep flick and occasionally seeing where everyone else’s head is at on a matter. Now you may think I’m “off my rocker” or just trippin’, because of the unusual things I’m saying, but I’ve seen what I’ve seen and can mark the changed lives over the last 23 years.

So in what you say about me, you’re not even close. You didn’t ask for all that I’m saying but it’s Monday, an I had the time and I loved the movie ‘cause it works for what I do in revealing just how ignorant we are about so many things. I believe that you will change your opinion in time about the end. But, again, what do I know?

[Stein_10]

You still didn't answer any of the questions that I had about the film. Just like the film didn't answer any questions I had about reloaded. However, you are entitled to your own opinion on the film and if you liked it, good for you. I'm just pissed because if they would have put an ending on it and not left so many questions unanswered, it could have been a great film. The main question I have is is Neo dead or not. Maybe you could answer that for me.

[Stein_10]

Alright, so I understand that Neo is dead and I was hoping that it would change my point of view on the movie because it somewhat explains the ending but I still feel that the film is not complete. I mean, in the end, when the "Architect asks the Oracle how long she thinks peace can last, it somewhat sets it up for a fourth film as I have said before. I guess I mainly didn't like this movie because I went to see it thinking my questions would be answered and there would be no question whether the war is over. So Neo's purpose was to end the war and he did that, so he was killed. So, if there is any question that the war is not over, Neo should not be dead because his purpose was to end the war. Right? Also, i'm not sure but from what I understand, Zion is just another version of the Matrix, so that's why in Revolutions, Neo was able to do the things he did because it was like he was in the Matrix. If so, why could he not bring Trinity back to life as he did in Reloaded?

[jygrogers]

Originally posted by Stein_10
You still didn't answer any of the questions that I had about the film. Just like the film didn't answer any questions I had about reloaded. However, you are entitled to your own opinion on the film and if you liked it, good for you. I'm just pissed because if they would have put an ending on it and not left so many questions unanswered, it could have been a great film. The main question I have is is Neo dead or not. Maybe you could answer that for me.

Alright Stein_10, please allow me to attempt one answer because I believe you honestly would like to know. Well honestly speaking, I believe that the W bros. intend to revive the story, but at a much later date with a whole new set of actors and a new crisis. But Neo will have a part to play because he's not dead. Yeah, he's not dead.

At the heart of the movie is an effort to speak to the esoteric beliefs that all cultures have an the open-endedness of faith and legends. In other words factual evidence of belief systems are intangible and indefinite because theres is more mystery than theres is evidence of a beginning, a reality or an end. That is why the one thing the W bros always say, and those that are participants of the movie is this: what does the movie speak to you? But they did leave room to believe that Neo is more alive than dead. In Reloaded the Architect said what the function of the One was, and the was basically to be reinserted to interface with the Matrix to make it run right. That means it affects everyone. The Oracle said the power of the One reaches beyond the Matrix into the real world because his abilities were acquired from the Source. You of course you recall, with some resentment, the words of the Oracle "I'm sure that well see Neo again."

Now, ask yourself "how many times was the Oracle wrong?...zero, nil, zip, never. With that statement the message here is "he ain't dead." The thing in Neo, whatever it was that was inserted into him at the time he was a baby placed in the Matrix pod, was rejoined to him once he merged with Smith (Smith got it in the first movie's explosive merge and it allow mass copying because it was to reach everyone in the Matrix)as to release everyone in the Matrix. That thing the Source must value. Also, since Neo was the instrument of peace to a society of machines who are immerging in a sense of honor... Neo is valuable. So he's not dead just like, if you will, Christ is not dead. He'll return again in a different Upgraded form to push men to the next level. That process of development will probably be the theme of the next Matrix series. But here again, to me, that is where this seems to be going. So that's all I got.

[the_impossiblis]

This movie made over a billion dollars on its first two installments alone. Why are there people with the arrogance to sit there and imply that the masses just don't "get it". They paid their money for Reloaded and even for Revolutions, despite it being panned by everybody and his mother. So get off your high horse guys.

[Stein_10]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. BUt this still leaves the question that if Neo's powers reached farther than just the matrix, and into the real world, why did he not have the power to bring Trinity back to life. Or did he have the ability, but he just didn't do it?

[Stein_10]

The "impossiblis", Reloaded and Revolutions may have been big time money makers, but to some, that isnt due to the quality of the movies. Many fans were intrigued and hooked by the first movie, which was the best if you ask me. The two latter movies fed off the first and the want for more drew people to the theatres to see just how far the rabbit hole went. Revolutions had potential, but many people agree that the worshiped "W" brothers really dropped the ball. To many people that I have talked to, it was a great movie but wasn't what they had expected for the conclusion. People are entitled to their own opinions and when one person thinks the movie was spectacular, another may say it was terrible. As said in the movie, the problem is "Choice". We are able to choose whether we like the movie or not. This is why it is difficult for many people in the world to agree on.....anything.

[chd]

!At the heart of the movie is an effort to speak to the esoteric beliefs that all cultures have an the open-endedness of faith and legends. In other words factual evidence of belief systems are intangible and indefinite because theres is more mystery than theres is evidence of a beginning, a reality or an end. That is why the one thing the W bros always say, and those that are participants of the movie is this: what does the movie speak to you?


Well, I'm not sure what the MOVIE "speak(s) to" me, but your posts speak clearly of an individual failing miserably at sounding smarter than everyone else. I mean, give me a break! I'm not the most intelligent guy in the world, but I do have a degree from Stanford and I can't begin to decipher the nonsense in your posts. The critics who thought "Revolutions" to be the epitome of philosophical gibberish obviously haven't been exposed to your writing here (I can hear the "W bros now: "get a load of THIS one! What the fuck was this guy on when he wrote this???").

Ironically, I LIKED the movie. I thought it was thought-provoking -- cheesy dialogue, cliches and all! But I respect the opinions of others who don't share my view, and wouldn't lecture them on why they "didn't get it," any more than I would accept a lecture from them criticizing me for being a "mindless fan." The extreme positions being taken all over the internet on this are laughable. It's just a movie!

[chd]

I have no idea who Roger Franks is or why his name appeared in my post! Must just be my ignorance of this system.

[VIRGOBLACK-]

WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE THINGS MORE THAN WHAT IT REALLY IS. I LIKE THE MATRIX, ALL OF THE MOVIES WERE GOOD. I FOUND CLOSURE WHEN I WATCH THE LAST ONE.

ITS A MOVIE GET OVER IT. STOP TRYING TO FIND SOME KIND OF ANSWER TO ANYTHING IN IT. TO BE HONEST,

I THOUGHT THAT THE FIRST MATRIX MOVIE WAS BORING. .
RELOADED WAS GREAT FOR ME. AND THE LAST ONE WAS EVEN BETTER. IT MADE ME CRY WHEN TRINITY DIED. FOR ME IT WAS A LOVE STORY. A GOOD ONE AT THAT.

IF YOUR LIFE WAS A MOVIE, JUST THE WAY IT IS. HOW WOULD YOU RATE IT. FO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD WATCH IT.

OUR LIVES ARE SO EMPTY, THAT WE LOOK TO MOVES TO FILL THEM WITH WHAT EVER YOU DO NOT HAVE IN YOUR LIFE. BUT WHEN GO SEE A MOVIE THAT IS STUPID, WE GET UPSET CAUSE THAT JUST HOW OUR LIVES ARE STUPID AND BORING. WE ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE NOT BE REMINDED.

[kevinpmurray]

I can't believe you are on a movie forum spouting that shit about the matrix being a love story! The only fuckin love that movie had was the wachowskis love of money. Why the hell do you think they left Revolutions open at the end...so that if they run out of cash or attempt to make another film (which in my view would inadvertently be a disaster) they can dig up the matrix and watch as the suckers of the world lap up the fucking bullet time and $43 million 15 minute CGI fights. As i read somewhere recently, the original cast of the matrix have cameos in an amination film, See it for what it is, PIECE OF SHIT. Ever heard of Bill Hicks? his views on Fatal Attraction are my views on this so called Trilogy. 3 movies? NO WAY! they should have left it with the first one instead of going Lucas on us...fucking cross- dressing incestual transvestite jizzrags.

[Ricky Retardo]

Just saw the movie. Not inspired by it enough to join this debate. Hugo Weaving rocks, however. The best sneer in the biz.

[Ricky Retardo]

'cause it just goes 'round and 'round.

[Peter_Lowry]

In response to the original post:

While I was mildly amused by Revolutions, it was still one the most disappointing movies of 2003. Not because I didn't 'get it' but because I expected way too much out of it. The Warshowski brothers made a steller setup with Reloaded which is a good as a Matrix Sequel could have been... but dropped the ball with Revolutions by taking the easy way out.

What pisses me off is the use of 'the spoon' in Reloaded, and then like a certain white wizard... never makes an single apperance in the third film. Am I the only one who drooled over the idea of a 'Matrix within a Matrix' concept? That would have been a very cool way to evolve to a higher level, but instead Larry and Andy took a page out of George Lucas and Peter Jackson's pages and just had one mother of a battle, hoping eye candy and effects would be enough to leave the viewers satisfied. Nope, not even close...

That's why I gave Revolutions a piss poor rating, not beacuse I didn't get it... but because Revolutions was a lazy film that chose to take the easy way out and cheat us out of a great payoff.

Peter

[Bongwater]

It was mildly entertaining, but highly underachieving.

I STILL don't agree with the original post, and it's been a while. :D

[BuckyMcSatan]

I'm back to lovin' those darn Matrix movies with their cuddly expositions about life and death and philosophy.

No.

No, wait... I HATE THOSE FUCKING MATRIX MOVIES...hate...hate..hate them!

Awww, now hang on a sec, they were pretty ground breaking!

Shut up precious!

I love them!

....hate them!

They tasted awful...

No they didn't!

Ad nauseum...