Revolutions - The Truth Hurts

[jygrogers]

If you want spoilers there are none in this revierw but I have an opinion to share.

I do disagree with the review because the reviewer may be a champion of intelligent creative movie making, but the reviewer like the Architect is fallible with limited perspective to draw a conclusion. It's Your box or no box.

Sure the third movie was imperfect, but even so, plot wise, did you know where it was going? Were you a step ahead of the plot? Oh no, I don’t think so. It is incredibly difficult to have your further exploration of a creative idea and presentation viewed and loved, as everyone with a brain wants to believe that 'their' understanding of the Matrix and possible directions with all of its turns and twist would have to be the logical route. The First movie was a masterpiece….in hindsight, to many a reviewer. But when The Matrix first hit the screen, so many decried it as a spin-off of this and that. When they found out just how intrigued the public was with the film they presidentally waffled in to agreement, as not to seem stupid. That is the game. Well the Revolutions installment can hold it’s own in a class with any film out there now and it was done as well as a film could be done in continuity, action and depth as could be possible with everyone leaning over your shoulder thinking they know what the secrets are or what are the only possible conclusions. Reviewers should remember that a great big screen story teller, even in the 21st century, still has to reach the 5th grader to the genius passing out as much eye candy and reflective suppositions along the way as possible. I believe that this film does that with excellence and if you could have done better, you have time…there is enough freedom in the finale to bring your best spin-off to millions of hungry fans – worldwide. You may very well be a wonderful person but my friend your estimate of your opinion is higher that what it is in the real or matrix world.

[Chris Gore]

I guess I am personally annoyed that so many critics are being dismissive of the Matrix films so quickly. I do recall another heady sci-film film years ago that was initially dismissed by critics and later hailed as a masterpiece -- 2001: A Space Oddyssey.

After initially being disappointed by Reloaded, I was intrigued and since have viewed it combined about 10 times between theatrical and DVD viewings and it definitely gets better as the philosophical layers take on more meaning with each viewing.

For me, the Matrix films are the most subversive movies to ever get a wide release and if many of the subtexts were made plain, it would frighten a lot of people. The Matrix is not just some form of control in a fictional film, the Matrix is our schools, our government, our monetary system, our way of life, the Matrix is, simply put, mainstream culture.

Okay, Gore signing off before I begin to sound too pretentious.

[mrobinson]

Matrix Revolutions opened today-the critics have already pounced.
My thoughts (and I won't spoil anything for those who haven't seen it):

Many questions are answered...many are not (as it should be).

If you care more about the action than the story, you will be disappointed. This is a story-heavy movie and the action is restrained until much later in the film (when it unleashes in force).

The critics who complain about the "New-Age Gobbley Gook" and "Non-answers" aren't trying hard enough (and have obviously never read a graphic novel before). The plot isn't completely on the surface-you have to decipher the codes, read between the lines and realize that not only will all the dots not be connected for you, but that some of the dots will be invisible based on your perspective.

And of course, every end is also a new beginning.

Ultimately, Reloaded and Revolutions are what the Watchowskis said they were: one big movie that was chopped in two. Once an audience can watch them both in one sitting I believe they'll see the bigger picture the movie is telling (and catch more nuances and info upon repeated viewings)-and the supplemental info obtained from the Enter The Matrix game and The Animatrix do embroider the story for those who have seen them all. Just realize that although you may have specific expectations, the directors have their own as well-maybe they should be allowed to tell THEIR story.

I enjoyed the film and I'm actually sad that the series is over (although The Matrix Online Massively MultiPlayer game is on the way, so in a way the story will go on...and WE'LL be in it).

Or are we already in it?

[3ldfilms]

As a huge fan of the first film (and not a fan of the second) I have to say this film is absolute shit.

I swear people have the same affinity for the second and third film simply because its the Matrix. There could be a fourth film of Keanu eating a box of Cocoa puffs and people would rave about it. Granted I could probably watch Indiana Jones or Han Solo each Cocoa Puffs for ninety minutes, but not Keanu (hell, he's barely in the movie for 40 minutes!)

The plot was razor thin (if you cut out the ever-inflated action scenes the film is probably 30 minutes), the acting was poor, the dialogue attrocious. It fell victim to the standard Hollywood garbage.

Even on a scene by scene basis the film was a letdown. Sure you can search for answers and deeper meaning. But the movie was simply BORING. Who cares if the "answers" are alluded to, my ass was too numb to care.

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Just a little side note, people LAUGHED OUT LOUD when Trinity died. And not just one or two people in the crowd. That's a pretty good sign you're in trouble .






















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[DocIndy]

If you want to play a cool drinking game, take a drink everytime you hear the the words 'I believe'. I have to watch Revolution again but you can have an intoxicating time with 1 and 2.

[jygrogers]

To 3ldfilms
Alright....You feel the way you feel. And????

But listen, I'm going to be straight forward with you. The Wachowski's did not do the movie for you and that's not sucha bad thing.

No doubt, with other movies, you may be absolutely right. You don't sound the least bit unintelligent or stupid to me at all, just disingenious, but that's my opinion. However, with this movie, the truth is, you are lost. Just plain and simply lost. I mean...no clue to what these brothers have done. So you have no alternative but to throw crap at the screen. I understand that.

The movie is not for you. It is for those who can honestly look at the triligy and see that not one thing (acting, dialog, style or story wise)has changed from the first installment to the last. Not one thing. However, you my friend have given in to sense evaluation. The second explosion has to be better than the first explosion kind of thing. No my friend the movie is not for you because everything you wanted was not on the sleeve. So don't go looking up the arm to the rest of the body because you'll find nothing you want on the outside either...get it? So here is a caution to you. Don't ever look at either Reloaded or Revolutions again, in life, or you may have to drop your snack to eat your words.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3ldfilms
[B]As a huge fan of the first film (and not a fan of the second) I have to say this film is absolute shit.

I swear people have the same affinity for this the second and third film simply because its the Matrix. There could be a fourth film of Keanu eating a box of Cocoa puffs and people would rave about it. Granted I could probably watch Indiana Jones or Han Solo each Cocoa Puffs for ninety minutes, but not Keanu (hell, he's barely in th movice for 40 minutes!)

The plot was razor thin (if you cut out the ever-inflated action scenes the film isi probably 30 minutes), the acting was poor, the dialogue attrocious. It fell victim to the standard Hollywood garbage.

Even on a scene by scene basis the film was a letdown. Sure you can search for answers and deeper meaning. But the movie was simply BORING. Who cares if the "answers" are alluded to, my ass was too numb to care.

QUOTE]

[Bongwater]

Originally posted by jygrogers

The movie is not for you. It is for those who can honestly look at the triligy and see that not one thing (acting, dialog, style or story wise)has changed from the first installment to the last.

This sounds suspiciously like the defense the Star Wars prequels often get. :D

I guess the question is do we really give a shit whether anyone lives or dies this time around? Between the first and second film, characters got awfully distant. But I'm with Gore. The more I see it (Reloaded), the more it kinda grows on me. Its CONCEPTS, anyway. The characters still lie there flat to me.

I'll probably catch Revolutions on Friday morning and see what's up.

[the-lyons-dendo]

matrix revolutions bashing:

i watched a totally different movie than the people that are bashing reloaded and revolutions. if you didnt like the first movie then you probably never would like these movies. but if you really loved the first one, like i did, and now hate parts 2 and 3 i just do not get what you were expecting from a movie.

this trilogy will EASILY be considered one of the greatest ones of all time, and right next to SW as the greatest sci-fi of all time. and just like the people who gave SW: ANH, ESB, and ROTJ bad reviews, these people will be eating their words after time passes and these films are fully realized for their impact.

yeah you were dozing during the final battle between smith and neo, yawning during the giant war between zion and the machines. nothing can ever reach your expectations because apparently you are a crackbaby raised on MTV who has to turn the channel when a hip hop video crosses the 3 minute mark.

no sequel will EVER match that original freshness that the original can bring. you people need to get that through your heads and be realistic. youre never going to see that first "bullet time" scene again for the first time. get over it. take these movies for what they are, entertainment.

the purpose of movies is to entertain and/or inform. if you actually watched revolutions and can say you werent entertained i say try this: drag your corpse over to the nearest light socket, stick your boney finger in the hole and enjoy the only excitement that is going to move you.

and making fun of neo calling trinity "trin" is really quite lame in itself. lame rating, how about lame review.

youve lost touch with movies. i think anything short of god coming out of the screen in revolutions and giving you a BJ would have let you down.

John C. Lyons
www.the-lyons-den.com

[BuckyMcSatan]

Well, I was surprised by the original Matrix. I was going to avoid it like the plague (Keanu Reeves, action, sci-fi? Blah!) until a friend of mine (who's usually into arty foreign films) begged me to go see it. It was like nothing I'd ever seen to that point. An action movie with a brain, visual bombast and yadda yadda...blah blah.

So we wait in a line for "Revolutions" for a couple of hours like goons. After too many beers, a near scrap for a "butting" episode, and another wait for the second show - the first was sold out - I walked from the theatre stunned.

How could something so cool go so fucking "Star Trekkie"?? Diplomatic sputterings and loads of fortune cookie philosophy...blahhhhhh... if I wanted to read Decartes I'll go back to college, thanks.

Then I re-read this small essay...

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/new_phil_dream.html

...and bought the second Matrix on DVD after some severe berating by friends about how I raved that it was "so horrible".

I actually liked it a lot this time, sitting in the comfort of my living room with the stereo up nice and loud.

I still think I might have seen Captain Kirk, Jean Luc and a couple of Klingons in the rave somewhere (and the appearance of Anthony Zerbe really doesn't help matters), but the film really picks up after they meet Merovingian and never quits. I actually said "wow." a couple of times!

Well, I also remember another sci-fi flick on release that was shunned and underapreciated as well (Gore) - ah, just some dumb little eighties flick you might know by the name of "Blade Runner".

People literally HATED that movie when it came out. The critics went apeshit on it.
(And it wasn't the voice-over, so don't get me started.)

Now it's a classic in the sci-fi genre and the public forgets all about their pooh-poohing...

The Matrix Triolgy ain't Shakepeare. But you know, it pretty darn close sometimes.

Now that I've written a novel here, I have one last thing to say.

Wouldn't it be interesting if they made a series of films with the idea in mind that there would be three (a given), and that they'd make the first film in the series "not quite up to par". JUST good enough to be good, but held back the really good shit for the second and third.

I don't know of a series that has ever accomplished this. Can anyone else? (Except "Lord of the Rings".) Would it be a good thing or a bad thing? (Meaning, we wouldn't be disappointed by sequels because they'd actually be tailored to work as a series without blowing their wads in the first one.)

I haven't seen the third Matrix yet, but I think I'll wait until the furor dies down and just buy the DVD.

[3ldfilms]

To be more specific why I hated Revolutions, It's not that I wanted more action that was "better". The movie is like sticking TWO fingers in a light socket.

Action and effects only mean so much. I really missed character and story.

In Reloaded, as soon as Neo was able to fly all over the place (since he has become THE ONE) there are no stakes. HE'S INVINCIBLE!!! Once you establish that he's invinceable, there's no tension in any of the fighting. In the first, you were second guessing, there was always a chance that he wasn't the one (especially after the oracle said he wasn't). But when he's Superman, the fights are just spectacle.

When we walked out of the theatre my girlfriend described the movie as "it's like sitting in the dark watching your boyfriend play video games for 2 1/2 hours". And that's what the experience has become, FX FX FX FX FX.

The FX were cool in the first film, but they weren't the reason I loved it. They were just PART of the reason.

The second film, though I did like a number of the scenes themselves, felt like an excuse to string together a bunch of impossibly cool fight sequences. And they were "cool" to watch, but they felt kind of cold.

The scene in the original when Neo saves Morpheus was taught and gripping because there were risks, and story, and we didn't know what was going to happen.

But who can honestly say they thought, even for a second, that Neo would lose a fight in the second or third film.

I was bored because because the film was only stimulating on one level: spectacle. And frankly, I am so fucking bored of Hollywood spectacle, each film trying to out do the last. I can't wait until every filmmaker has every effect available at their disposal so people can get this shit out of there system and stop showing off. Maybe then blockbusters will get back to the other tools that make a great film.

Just look at LOTR, that is a series that combines spectacle, character, story, and all the other aspects of filmmaking. That is trilogy that I'll hold as dearly as SW and Indiana Jones.

If I want to watch a video game, I'll turn on my PS2.

[Bongwater]

Hands up who watched the Morpheus/Neo fight on the top of the semi in Reloaded and immediately thought of the videogame Bad Dudes.

*raises hand*

But yeah, that's the big deal about these flicks to those who were disappointed. It ain't the lack of spectacle or concepts; it's generally the lack of renewal of interest in these characters that we enjoyed riding along with in the original Matrix. Now they're just action avatars in something bigger, louder and faster that comes across completely detached.

Well, okay, enough hacking on Reloaded.


Buck Satan: I was gonna say Battlestar Galactica, but yeah, you've got the idea there. :D

[jygrogers]

Originally posted by 3ldfilms
To be more specific why I hated Revolutions....
Action and effects only mean so much. I really missed character and story.

In Reloaded, as soon as Neo was able to fly all over the place (since he has become THE ONE) there are no stakes. HE'S INVINCIBLE!!!

I was bored because because the film was only stimulating on one level: spectacle.

He didn't seem so invincible in Revolutions...but you just checked out. hum???

I take back what I said about you not watching it again. Why? Because one of the intentions of the W bros in creating this and Reloaded was that it would take several viewings to really appreciate what it was saying between the lines.

When you settle down a little consider this question raised in the film " what does it cost to get what you want and how does the world work in order for you to get it?" Now in all analogies there are weaknesses. And if you are whiz banged out then you are whiz banged out. But the effort of the movie is to not answer all or even most questions but present in a most widely accepted genre the purpose of birth, life and death. That is where the first began and the last ended. And for me, compared to 'all' the other stuff I've see in the SF genre (LOTR notwithstanding) it is drastically farther from them crap pile than the other stuff out there.

Mark my words, anyone willing to be objective will see more than dissapointment. They will have at least one thought provoked from the film. Whether you like it or not the movie is Relevant. Hey, but what do I know?

[BuckyMcSatan]

Buck Satan: I was gonna say Battlestar Galactica, but yeah, you've got the idea there. :D


hahahahahaha... yes, even better. :D

I do have to say that I am getting pretty sick of the use of 3D and special effects in films just because "we can".

LOTR utilizes 3D in a way that enhances the story as opposed to singling them out in a "video game" fashion as a lot of films tend to do these days.

I'm not a HUGE fan of the Matrix series (well, the first film was really great) but I'd rather watch a film by Neil LaBute or Darren Arronofsky - but now that I've said that, I see that Arronofsky is doing "Lone Wolf and Cub" as his next film.

[dilix]

I'm a new member here and all ive been hearing is all bad stuff about the matrix and i might have to agree. The FIRST mistake the crew made was freaking put keanu reaves as neo because we all know that he has no real tallent in acting. The SECOND mistake was all the freakin CGI's in these movies. CGI's are good sometimes but not constantly because most people like man vs man or man vs machine or man vs nature kind of things when the actors actually fight eachother.


Despite all the bad things with revolutions, you couldnt get any worse with trinidy's speach when she is dieing because it's takes up 10 minutes of my damn time and not to mention i thought my money went to waste.

There were some good things about this movie like the fighting in the sky which i loved and the part when the chinese dude, Morpheus and trin fought those guys that walked on the walls which was great. But the point i want to bring out most is everyone talking about how much better the first one was compared to the second and third. Every trilogies first movie is always going to be the best one so why try to compare it with the other one's which brings out my next point. Even though i said a couple bad things about this movie I still watched it and enjoyed what the directors had to give and to see how they try to match up againts the first movie. Alltogether this trilogy was great and i had a awsome ride when it lasted. I loved the action in all BUT THE BEST FIGHT IN ALL OF THESE MOVIES WAS WHEN NEO FIGHTS SMITH IN THE FIRST ONE IN THE SUBWAY STATION WHICH WAS JUST PHENOMINAL SINCE YOU COULD SEE THE ACTORS FIGHTING WITH NO CGI'S

[dilix]

Matrix again


I forgot to talk about neo's fate and how glourious that was. This movie couldnt of ended in a better way because it just shows you how heroic neo was and what he was capable of. I just loved the ending

[dilix]

My new thought of this movie but i still stand with keanu being a bad actor

Let me first say I PROMISE YOU WILL LOVE THIS TRILOGY IF U READ THIS.

I apologize if my email does not follow the rules of this forum, but I felt I could offer you a very clear explanation of the Matrix series in light of reading your reviews of the Matrix Revolutions. The bottom line is people don't understand it. So this is a crash course for anyone who wants answers. Real one's, not some fanboys idea of what it's about. Please note, SPOILERS ARE ALL THROUGH THIS REVIEW.

Here we go with the basics.

Zion is real! The Matrix is not.

The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose.

The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again) but humans did not accept it as real so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.

The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus.

The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.

Onto Revolutions:

Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.

Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?

For those that like to dig deeper, than note the biblical references throughout the series. Heck, the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect represents God - i.e. the creator of the world and its destroyer whenever things don't go as he wants. He even has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.

[working]

Aside from throwing every Eastern and Western thought on existence and the nature of being into a blender and hitting "frappe", the source material for the Matrix Trilogy (TM) is pronounced ad neauseum: Anime.

I would say your reaction to anime (or "Japanimation" or "manga", in its myriad forms... the point here is its Japanese and made lovingly by adolecent hands in subterranean sweatshops) past, present or future is an accurate guage for how you'd receive the Wachowski Bros universe.

I simultaneously loathe and love anime. Shh! Don't tell anyone - I'm asian and yet I can barely tolerate most anime I'm forced to watch by well meaning caucasian friends.

I can appreciate Akira on several levels... to a point, and then I chalk up my annoyance or lack of relating to what's going to simply being to Western in my thinking. We're raised on certain archetypes and traditions of story arcs and elements out here in the land of milf and honey - ones that may or may NOT have their "cognates" in other pop cultures, and specifically, manga storytelling.

My comprehension and enjoyment of the Matrix Trilogy is exactly this. I can appreciate and enjoy it on several levels... to a point. And then the annoyance and yes, even guffaws (I sheepshly admit on one of the three times I saw "Revolutions", I kept yelling "Take it off!" at bad moments in the film... like when Trinity dies - it... well, it seemed funny at the time) set in. Again, I chalk this up to simply not having the breadth of understanding to allow for a kind of storytelling. But well, after picking up a copy of "Gravity's Rainbow" and reading the back cover to see what it was about and getting a headache from just reading the back cover, you can gather the depth to which I allow my intellect to go.

So the issue here is whether the Matrix was meanth JUST for us, we of the U.S. and all those countries we would call "bitch." The answer is a resounding no. That in and of itself should be refreshing and yes, received as subversive. A major blockbuster, and guess what? It's not meant for just us. There's no Joe Pesci as annoying sidekick or singularly good or bad ending. It is another way of storytelling.

Um... since this is my first time posting, let me directly address why I wanted to post in the first place:

"3ldfilms" suggested that Neo was seemingly invincible in "Reloaded" to which I'll point out his confrontation scene in the Merovingian's chateau, in which Neo's hand is cut during his crazed multiple-assailant kung fu freakout:

"See he's just a man."

A small token, I know but there it is. I'm gonna go watch my Season One disk of "Strangers With Candy" now.

[Bongwater]

Just some thoughts... nothing much in the way of interpretation of the film's messages or anything....

Not an emotional film (or pair of films, because let's face it, Reloaded/Revolutions are gonna be looked at as the same animal) by any stretch. It's full of movement, I guess, but not much in the way of humanity. Here, you have characters that are in service of a larger concept, rather than actual humans to identify with in the story.

There were moments during the defense of Zion where the humanity was lost and you're watching obvious CGI creations smack into each other. It was certainly pretty though, and there were numerous images that were astounding. Had a little problem with the geography, but it wasn't too bad.

They didn't spend a whole lot of time in the Matrix, and I was actually relieved. It seems that whenever the characters are in Matrix-mode, they are immediately stripped of all humanity and warmth of any kind. At that point, they are highly boring.

Heh... I do realize I've used 'humanity' more in this post than... yeah, you know.

I did like the majority of the Zion defense, the presence of badass females, Jada Pinkett doing her Han Solo routine (although Morpheus appeared to lose his nutsack somewhere and contracted Mace Windu Disease).

At the end, it satisfies, but with no real involvement from the get-go, it's lacking something. It's A-level anticipation that's been met by a B-level response. It's much like my reaction to the Star Wars prequels, although I feel the Matrix sequels are technically superior. These are stories that worked better as possibilities within the imagination than an eventuality on-screen. And for those who got into a lather over the possibilities that Reloaded appeared to generate, I'm not surprised that some feel a little let down by Revolutions' more conventional approach.

Technically marvelous, but a little lacking under the hood.

[3ldfilms]

Understanding the matrix...

I don't anything that delix mentioned is anything new...a lot of people seem to think the trilogy is great cause they "get" and if anyone doesn't like it they just musn't get it.

I never suggested it didn't make sense. There are lots of movies that make sense that aren't good.

But on the topic of what it's actually about, I did find the whole "resetting" thing to be pretty vague for a major plot point. I mean the second film really alluded to the fact that the real world, zion, was actually another matrix. I mean, how could you "reset" the real world if it's outside the matrix? You can reset the matrix, but not the real world. That would be the perfect plan. They acknowledge that humans won't accept the program and some will wake up so if you create a matrix within a matrix the ones who become aware of the matrix will be tricked into thinking they've escaped once they wake up from the first one. I really thought they were going in this direction when Neo was able to kill the machines in the "real" world and when he was blind how his site was basically a yellow version of his green code vision that we see when he is in the matrix.

But in the end, it was only alluded to. Now, I don't want to be spoonfed--quite the contrary, I'd rather it be even more dense--but I really felt like all these philosophical ideas were just tidbits scattered around some action scenes.

All these potentially interesting ideas that in the end fell by the wayside for 30 minute action scenes.

[kevinpmurray]

Originally posted by dilix
Matrix again


I forgot to talk about neo's fate and how glourious that was. This movie couldnt of ended in a better way because it just shows you how heroic neo was and what he was capable of. I just loved the ending

What paralell dimension were you in when you saw Revolutions because i need to go check that one out. Don't bother seeing the one they made here, the ending sucks ass. Take my poll btw, Christ knows where it is..go find it you lazy sod!

[Vintango]

Damn it, I loved each of these movies, and this guy can explain why more eloquently than I ever could:

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/031109matrix.htm

Read every word. I can't wait to go catch it again on that glorious Imax screen.

[Bongwater]

Originally posted by Vintango
Damn it, I loved each of these movies, and this guy can explain why more eloquently than I ever could:

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/031109matrix.htm

Read every word. I can't wait to go catch it again on that glorious Imax screen.

Reminds me of the symbolism of The Doom Generation, and that was a dull flick too.

[Kuato]

i've boycotted the matrix movies.
the first one was one of the biggest let downs i've ever seen.... so i will never see the other 2 ...
i think i get enough of them with the runoff fighting effects that everyone uses in every movie now.

if only neo was a pie...
" you can't loose the pie... the pies' the heart."

and i agree... doom generation was no barrel of laughs either....it was more a big barrel of bad.