Darth Vader's NOOOO!

[Chris Gore]

Had to be the lamest moment of the movie, though, from my review I think you can tell that I loved it. Check this out:
http://darthno.ytmnd.com/

[iEatBrainMatter]

It was the Duracell battery commercial. Was weak. I imagined Vader standing quiet looking down and everything around him bursting or crushing. Maybe have him fall to his knees. Enjoyed it more than the last 2 myself.

[bronsonseven]

The quiet audience I sat in a theater with while watching Episode III, was rudely interupted by me, twice during the feature.

The first time, was when Anakin is about to fight Obi-Wan and he calls Obi a Liar! The way he says it - so dramatic and loud - practically killed me.

The second time was during the infamous "No!" Lucas is a genius.

I also re-watched the old trilogy (non-special edition VHS versions of course) and I almost felt that the magic was diminished a little. Sure, I can live with Obi-Wan saying countless times that Yoda trained him (even though that isn't evident in the new trilogy) and what not, but I think the world would have been better off without this new trilogy. I actually liked the mystery of not knowing how Vader came to be better than the actual execution.

And Vader's screaming of "No!" was the same reaction I had when I saw Episode II.

[iEatBrainMatter]

Star Wars basically now has a big smear on its windshield. I thought the Special Editions of the OT were a good idea, but after seeing what he did to ANH and RotJ( Empire wasnt a bad special edition really) I was very weary of the Prequels. I must be force sensitive because I felt a great disturbance as soon as i heard one of the droids speak and Jar Jar's first appearance. I think he did a lot better with Episode 3 but I just wish Episode 3 was the first of the Prequels.

[fortunesfool]

Its a strong metaphor but just imagine how underwhelmed all the Christians in the world would be if Jesus actually returned and hey, was just a nice guy who could walk on water.

Wouldn't be enough would it?. The idea, the belief and what you imagine him to be is what gives it its power.

Same goes for Ep3. Its a lot better in my head. Seeing it half-assed with bad dialogue wasn't my idea of how it all came together...and the 'Nooo' was just the cherry on the cake of a bad scene. Everything 'vader' says is just another nail in the coffin of my childhood imagination.

I just wish Rick (yes, George) Mcallum had sat him down and said, 'Look, You can't write! All the cgi in the world will not disguise bad storytelling and a lack of dramatic drive. Hand it over to professional writers.'

Why kill Darth Maul in ep1..wouldn't it make more sense to have him survive and take on the Dooku role in the other 2. Giving both Obi-wan and Anakin reasons to want revenge against him and thus giving their final fight more dramatic weight (any even). Obi-wans need for revenge for Qui-gons death affecting his training of Anakin who senses the hidden 'dark side' to Obi-wan. Thus Obi-wan becomes a more flawed character and in some ways responsible for Anakins eventual downfall. Obi-wan is strong enough to keep this at bay whereas the lesser trained jedi falls to it.

It's called a character arc George. He's a brat kid, he's a brat teenager, he's Darth Vader...isn't an interesting character journey.

I could go on...don't even start me on Bail Organa being handed a child 'because he wants one'....He was in 3 fucking scenes. If you'd only known a person for 5 minutes would you give them a child? We all know he adopts Leia but then we all know that Palpatine is the Emperor and that Anakin becomes Darth Vader. It's no reason to not make him a fully fleshed out character...

Grrr!

[w24x192]

The worst part of the 'Nooooo' Scene for me wasn't the voice acting by Jones (he did a good job, but it was just bad dialog), it was Hayden's acting in the suit. The way he was flailing around was just bad miming, and miming is always bad, but this was reeeally, reeeeeeeeeeally bad.

It was very strange to hear Vader ask how someone was doing...I guess at that point he still had some Anakin in him, so it is understandable. I wonder who (in the movie, not in real life) designed his suit. I mean, it doesn't seem to be modeled after anything in particular, and certainly is odd, to say the least. I seems that they would want him to be as close to human as possible, but maybe that is just the way we would do it nowerdays.

There was certainly no shortage of bad scenes in this movie, but there was a glimpse of the Falcon, and we do get to see a lot more grit than past movies.

[drsweetscience]

I know he doesn't say it, but I hear "Mendozzaaaa!"
On a side, people hate Jar Jar. I have always thought the trilogy would be better served by Sebulba coming along for the story instead of Jar Jar. Remember, Sebulba was the asshole who races Anakin in the pod-race.

About the dialogue: Ian McDiarmid was real good. I almost get the sense he wrote his own lines. Talented bastard walked away with the movie. Or at least walked away unscathed.

[Mikailus]

And now, what should have happened. Although the scene is a bit forgettable, this is what should've happened:

(upon hearing of Padime's death)

The weight of the Force tears through the chamber with an intensity unmeasured. The metal walls bend, some tearing slowly like fabric. Robots around the room malfunction, and either explode in sparks or die quietly. Wires are unwound or torn out of electrical components. The table VADER lies on crumbles like tinfoil.

PALPATINE is left untouched, grinning at the sight of his apprentice's anguish.

VADER wrenches his gloved hands from the wristbands as he lurches forward, nearly stumbling with the weight of his heart, wandering a little about the room, shuffling his feet.

Then, silence. He idles for a moment, before he cowers and places his helmeted head in his hands.


DARTH VADEROh Force... Oh Padime... be with me... be with me ...

It's rough, I know. Possibly spelling and continuity errors. But hey, this is how it should've ended rather than the classic infamous "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" Brings a lot more tears, a lot more drama. Even though the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" was possibly a tribute to the bad B-movies of the 30's, 40's and 50's, it never would fit in today's cinematic fare. Why? It's just bad cheese, man. Bad cheese ... (if only they had a sick emoticon)

[iEatBrainMatter]

Saw it again and I felt the flaws even more. Kinda got tired of watching after a while. They sure needed a Han Solo type character in these flicks along with a bad guy(Maul) that made it through to the last film. Dooku wasn't a powerful enough presence. Grievous was ok, but still wasn't as cool as they portrayed him in the cartoon. I think part of it was his voice. Battle droid voices still make me cringe. They talk too much in this one. The battle with the Wookies was not that useful to the movie. Cool to get a glimpse of the place though.

There is good stuff though in this one. I did kinda feel a bit sad when the Jedi were being killed off. It would have been nice to have more time given to some of the other Jedi besides sitting in chairs and dying. Ewan Macgregor hasn't let me down as a younger Obi Wan. Ian McDiarmid was enjoyable in this one. The opening scene was exciting. It was just missing regular pilots like the Wedge Antilles types. I still like Return of the Jedi's space battle more. I found myself enjoying this Yoda/Palpatine fight over the Dooku duel of the last film.

I'd probably have loved these movies if I was the same age as I was when I first saw the originals. So what can ya really do. I try not to pick at these movies but damn it I can't help myself. I've spent too much time watching the originals over and over being so amazed at them only to wait 20 years for these subpar flicks. I wanted to like these movies more than I did. Give me back the good times Lucas.


By the way, Jar Jar had too much screen time :-P

[Seedy Edgewick]

The more I think about it, the more I think that "NOOO!" was sheer laziness on Lucas' part. I mean, Anakin finds out that (1) Sidious CAN'T teach him to save Padme, and (2) Padme dies anyway, which was Anakin's sole reason for teaming with Sidious in the first place. Why didn't Darth Vader attack Sidious? "You lied to me! I gave up everything" The scene could have played out to demonstrate that Sidious is STILL more powerful than Vader AND included the aforementioned show of Force. Plus, to see Sidious defeat Vader directly would solidify their relationship as master and apprentice; I had always wondered how a powerful Sith like Vader would bow and grovel before the Emperor. This confrontation would answer that question.

Plus, a TALENTED writer could construct the dialogue during this scene to imply that Sidious, in fact, killed Padme by supressing her will to live. It would have made her death a little less cheesy and given Sidious the final "umph" to illustrate what an unredeemably evil motherfucker the guy is.

Alas.

[eyeresist]

I don't think Lucas's writing is as bad as people say. I think the problem is that, after not directing a film for 20 years, and isolating himself in that ivory tower known as the Ranch, he just doesn't know how to work with actors. I mean, with the exception of Ian McDiarmid, every performance in the new trilogy falls flat to some extent. Look at how lame Samuel L Jackson is here, just a tall dweeb with no personality. There are plenty of movies with worse dialogue that are in fact better movies, because the director took the time to work with his actors. [insert examples here] Lucas's greatest legacy may in fact be the high-flying careers he has shot down with his autistic people skills.

[Jagermeister70]

I think this scene cemented a realization for me that had been building throughout the movie. When I saw the movie for the second time, I finally placed it. Darth Vader is a fuck-up as a villian.(this may take a while, so feel free to stop reading at anytime). As A New Hope starts, Vader is on a mission to retrieve the stolen Death Star plans from Leia. He then has a chance at redemption, yet he manages to fail to stop Luke from blowing said Death Star to hell. Those are two pretty big failures. Imagine if a businessman is asked to close a deal with a client, but his actions instead directly lead to a tiny group of freedom fighters blowing up the eastern seaboard with their spaceships. Vader fucks up on that level. As Empire starts, Vader is now trying to find the new Rebel base. He does so, but the Rebels are alerted of the Imperial fleet's presence, and the Rebellion is able to escape with their leadership structure intact. Vader is then commanded by the Emperor to capture Luke alive so he can be turned to the Dark Side. While he does win the battle with his undertrained son (Vader is supposed to be the most imposing figure in the galaxy while Luke had maybe two weeks of training at this point), Luke escapes. At one point the Emperor tells Vader, "The son of Skywalker must not be allowed to become a Jedi." Luke escapes, returns to the Rebellion, and eventually become a Jedi. Oops. In actuality, Vader really only ever has two major triumphs (acts of good do not count). He kills Obi-Wan, but that was really kind of a gimme. And he saves Palpatine's life, but cutting off Windu's hand was hardly valiant. He also kills the Emperor, as an act of love, compassion, redemption, and cliches. His last act is one of good. It was kind of deflating to learn that the ultimate villian was really, after all, not that bad a guy. And killing his master whilst he is otherwise engaged is also less than courageous. Now that I think about it, Obi-Wan initially gives the impression to Luke that Vader had personally hunted down and destroyed all of the Jedi. We now know that the clone army did this. The only Jedi that Vader ever kills are Obi-Wan and the younglings. That record hardly portrays an indomitable evil force to me. He probably spent more time strangling more Imperial officers while he was Vader than he did killing Jedi. The point (I think I really have one!) is this: Vader was never the villian he was made out to be. He was originally, when his past was shrouded in mystery and legend, an imposing figure. We started with Luke exemplifying all that is innocent and good and Vader representing all that is corrupt, powerful, and evil. However as Lucas continued to develop his story, he effectively destroys this illusion. At the end of episode III we are left with the pathetic portrait of a broken man (how awkward was it when he asked how Padme was?). It is now near impossible to see Vader as a villian; he is really more of a confused, ornery adolescent. I realize that Lucas wanted to develop the character, but how can you have an effective villian that never really succeeds in anything villianous? That should happen in Looney Tunes, not Star Wars. In doing this Lucas loses the element of good vs. evil that pervaded the first couple films, and made it so much fun to root for the underdogs. I'm not saying Lucas shouldn't have made the prequels. I enjoyed episode III as a whole. And while the other two prequels had their failings (did they have to encompass the whole movies though?) far be it for me to criticize a (supposed) artist for trying to expand on his creations. However it would be nice if one could get the impression that Lucas had, at least, thought these things through. That's all I've got, sorry for wasting your time on my drunken ravings.

[fortunesfool]

:) Vader as a fuck up of a villian. No surprise really since he's just an annoying brat. 'You underestimate the power of being whiney and not doing what you're asked.'

'You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor..oh and my daughter, who despite being strong in the force I can't sense despite being stood right next to you.'

My point being, despite Lucas saying he wrote 9 films and split them up, he is in fact making this shit up as he goes.

Whats odd is that 'we' seem to know more about it and feel more passionately for it than it's creator does.

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[F-Stop]

I'm not sure how long it will be before I watch the original trilogy again, but I wonder how I'll take it.

The first two prequels had so little to do with the original films, with their incessant focus on trade routes and other political nonsense, but "Revenge of the Sith" was pretty directed at leading straight into "A New Hope."

So now I've got to watch the original trilogy and picture a whiny Hayden Christensen screaming "Noooo!" and suddenly the Darth Vader of the original films seems less threatening, less menacing. Which sucks.

It reminds me of seeing "Halloween: Resurrection" a few years ago. The prologue in that film features Jamie Lee Curtis finally getting offed by Michael Myers. It takes about 4 minutes, and it's done in a pedestrian, derivative slasher-movie way. It's basically a joke, announcing itself as what it is, a celebrity cameo. All I could think was, "This character spent three previous movies running from and fighting this killer, and this is the respect she gets?" It's not that I'm annoyed that she was killed, it's the way they did it. It just felt like a negation, a betrayal, of the earlier, classier Halloween films.

So I pretend that it never happened, that they never made the film, that when Laurie Strode hacks off Michael Myers' head at the end of "H2O," that really is the kickass resolution that the character earned.

And I guess that's the way I feel about "Sith," only unlike "Halloween Resurrection," it's too big to ignore, and not a terrible film by any means. It just takes the piss out of the Vader we've all loved to hate for 25 years, if you ask me.

[Mikailus]

Ladies and gentlemen... I humbly and sincerely apologise for possibly making it worse than it already is. No, this is not G.L. It's the guy who wrote that "alternate" ending to the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" scene here in the thread.

I think Vader should have never asked about Padime's condition. Or have said anything. I think he should've forgotten about Padime after strangling her. If any mention of her after he strangled her, if any guilt trip attempt by Obi-wan was made, Anakin/Vader should've just shrugged it off or not listen, continuing his accusations.

And rather than having his anger drive him... he should've become numb of all feeling. A true machine, if you will. Only obeying his Master without question and showing no emotion. Not even anger or joy or sadness or anything. No concern or questions.

Just... nothing.

As for his path to the Dark Side, his intentions should've been more about power than saving another.

Just my thoughts.

[Smalls]

As opposed to the operatic "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" I think he should've just cursed, under his breath, "fuck beans!"

[Mr B Natural]

This is a freakin awesome link. Wicked funny.

[Bayouradio]

So I pretend that it never happened, that they never made the film, that when Laurie Strode hacks off Michael Myers' head at the end of "H2O," that really is the kickass resolution that the character earned.
Not to be terribly off-topic, but that's exactly how I feel about Alien 3. I thought killing Hicks and Newt off that way was a huge "fuck you" to the second one. So, in my book, the series ends at 2.

I personally would have loved to have seen a huge build-up and then Vader goes silent. All that rage and grief winds up and then instead of having any release, he just swallows it. I think that would have been chilling.

There's lots of things that could have been fixed. It would take more time than it's worth to enumerate them all.

[Ricky Retardo]

I don't have a copy near me (sorry, no SW geek-boy here) but if memory serves, Obi-Wan vacates his robes before the death blow is dealt. In fact a big point is made to show Vader picking up the empty swaddling. So in essence DV ALSO failed to kill his master/arch-nemesis and that just furthers the universal fuck-up theory.

[Pete Vonder Haar]

Saw these on MetaFilter:

http://cnnoooooooo.ytmnd.com/

http://vadercoaster.ytmnd.com/

[El Duderino Diablo]

The best one yet: http://padme.ytmnd.com/

[El Duderino Diablo]

http://vaderfortune.ytmnd.com/

[jimboe887]

Ever since Sith came out people made a stink about the infamous "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" scene. I geuss it was just the icing on the cake, the last thing you saw, so it stuck with you. But if Darth screaming No because the lady he loved, not to mention his unborn children(as far as he knows), is dead is the main thing you have to complain about, then good for you. You missed many other, and much more egregious flaws in this one.

How else is he suposed to respond? Perhaps a little more destruction would have been nice, but he screams instead. I'll admit that when i saw it i was taken out of the film a little. It was...uhm..startling to see Vader acting like a bitch. But then I thought of Empire. When Vader tells luke "No, I am your father" what is luke's response? "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" So wasn't it just a weak attempt by Lucas to link the films. Not a major faux pas.

I don't know. I just think that it is a bit trivial to focus on such a minor flaw. What about the Wookie doing the tarzan scream? I damn near fell out of my seat on that one. What about the unaswered, or half answered, questions? What about an overall shitty flick?

[jordan00]

http://aotsrules.ytmnd.com/ (i made this for the people complaining about AOTS not being TSS (pm me if you want the lingo))

[Terminal_Ny]

I really didn't have a problem with Vader's NOOO scene. The only problem was the true lack of continuity, and Christensen. Never liked him as a young Vader. I always pictured a bigger more muscular young man with a deep commanding voice making us believe he could actually lead an army.

[xerces]

Sorry guys...n gals...Star wars is based....like Kill Bill....on a new perspective of an old film/////films....OOOOOHHHH WHERE DID THEY GET DARTH VADER FROM???...hmmm anyone who has studied martial arts knows that mask is samurai////and obi wans robes...lukes robes...darth maul....qui ....er...am i hitting on a theme here??different martial arts...different attire...different fighting ...philosophies..different light sabre techniques...the whole story starts with a remake of the hidden fortress.(1958).....continues and concludes with remakes of the hero with a thousand faces.....some jedi powers there??.....and yojimbo....1961......the other...er....ahem legend has it that ther were 9 star wars books...films.....i've read a few .er shall we say...unauthorised ones......well we will see.......the only thing i will say is that maybe they should of handed the film franchise over to the ppl who did Lord Of The Rings...Cos well....for us (i hope) anoraks.....there was soooo much potential there to blow all our minds.....what a waste......like riddick...and spiderman/////batman....up until christian bale....avenger....f4>>>bore...the new batman...oh shit yeas.....fcuk superman....christian bale...batman.....m.caine..alfred.....scarecrow... .and rutger hauer ,,,as 2 face..........oooooh.....who is the joker

[El Duderino Diablo]

Drop the crack pipe and step away from the PC.

[Mr B Natural]

Drop the crack pipe and step away from the PC.

Screw that, man, I want whatever you're smokin!!! :D

[automanic]

I don't have a copy near me (sorry, no SW geek-boy here) but if memory serves, Obi-Wan vacates his robes before the death blow is dealt. In fact a big point is made to show Vader picking up the empty swaddling. So in essence DV ALSO failed to kill his master/arch-nemesis and that just furthers the universal fuck-up theory.

You can see Vader's light-saber pass through Obi-Wan's neck the moment before Obi-Wan's robes drop. Lucas made it clear in the original trilogy that jedis don't die, they just fade away. Yoda and Vader also evaporated into the ether when they died. Lucas proceeded to forget all about this in eps 1-3, starting with Qui-Gon getting a funeral pyre.

Yes, this does further the universal fuck-up theory, but it's Lucas fucking up, not Vader.

[Tapek]

i just signed up cause i thought i would point out that in episode 3 yoda tells obi wan that quigon had found out a way to communicate from the dead, and had tought them how. So i assumed that until him, jedi in fact did die but now they know how to do the whole spirit thing.

[automanic]

i just signed up cause i thought i would point out that in episode 3 yoda tells obi wan that quigon had found out a way to communicate from the dead, and had tought them how. So i assumed that until him, jedi in fact did die but now they know how to do the whole spirit thing.

That's a good point, and it explains how Obi-Wan is able to communicate with Luke later in the series. However, if this ability is what makes Obi-Wan and Yoda fade away, then Qui-Gon should have also faded (being a new master of this technique), and Vader should have just died instead of fading in ROTJ (since he wouldn't have been taught by anyone how to do this).

[stillkillinzoe]

Star Wars has gone down hill ever since Lucas decided to go back and reedit and add to the original trilogy. You had to see their he wasn't in his right mind. Man needs help is all.
The new version of Star Wars was poorly written, just that simple. And the casting was terrible too, not that Ewan McGreggor didn't do a great job, just that he's the only one that's even serviceable. The story doesn't work with the original trilogy. Are we really to believe that Luke is going to be safe hiding from his evil father by taking him to his family on his home planet. Hello!!!!!!!

[speilburgh]

I'd have to agree.. the new trilogy doesn't work. However the kids love it.

and that's who Lucas made it for. Your life kinda changes when little ones are running around. I know mine has.

but i like them just the same.. all though episode one really sucked for me.. not what i was expecting....

and darth vaders NOOOOO..... hated it...